I’m joined on this (fifth anniversary) episode of MikeyPod by Lee Hall, who is the Vice President of Legal Affairs for Friends of Animals and the author of several books, most recently On Their Own Terms: Bringing Animal Rights Philosophy Down To Earth.
Thanks, as always, for listening to the show – especially to those of you who have been listening since the very beginning!
Music:
Stars and Stripes Forever – Matmos
The Sexual Politics Of Meat – Consolidated
Someone You Need – Howard Jones
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Awesome interview!! Will include a link in my book review, this elucidates so much.
Thanks Mikeypod and Lee for this discussion 🙂
Elucidation R Us. Cheers, Gadda. Appreciating your interest in the book and looking forward to your review and commentary. Lee x
I have read Capers in the Churchyard and I am close to finishing On their own terms.
People pay more attention to food/farm animals than wild animals because that is what they are familiar with. I like the way That Lee Hall makes the distinction between the two and yet maintains that all creatures have “natural’ rights, too. That we merely pick and choose which lives are more relevant to humans than others because we have given them a purpose on OUR terms and not on the animals terms. It helped me to re-examine my relationship and the human relationship with animals. To really put myself in their place.
How exciting to hear this interview with Lee, whose new, fresh ideas challenge us to change our mind about a number of things — to think beyond slogans and tired rhetoric, and to understand why animal rights theory
needed new thought and analysis.
As Lee says, wolves have been discarded to make a maltese or other breed dog the focal point of questions about who gets in the animal advocacy lifeboat. How
do we challenge ourselves over purpose-breeding of animals? Indeed. How do we interact with nature and the environment other animals depend on for their rights to survive?
It’s OK to be concerned about cats, dogs and other animals’ welfare,yet how do we respect them, Lee asks.
Lee shakes things up — our language,concepts,and
shows where we need to rethink a number of theories from activist pundits.
Congratulations to you Mikey on your anniversary and for a most excellent choice of a guest to mark this occasion. As a vegan I am truly amazed at how much I don’t ‘know’ when it comes to not only animal rights and advocacy but also how I feel/think about the multiple issues relating to being vegan. Lee covers so many important topics in the interview so yes part 2,3,4…would be so welcomed. I am looking forward to reading Lee’s book and have a feeling once I pick it up I won’t be able to put it down. There are many questions that need to be asked when it comes to the ‘welfare’ of animals including of the human kind…from a psychological perspective I believe the way non-human animals are treated by humans is tied to how humans treat themselves and more importantly those within their own species. We can look to the failing welfare systems of humans (ie. foster care) and see why animal welfare is often met with good intentions but the underpinnings scream of misguidedness (ie. consulting with KFC as Lee points out in the interview). With that said, we vegans have our work cut out for us. Thanks to you and Lee for helping to keep consciousness at the top of the list as to why I went vegan in the first place.